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secondly, with regard to the hagel nomination, unfortunately, chuck hagel is dealing with his own poor performance as a nominee now. all the way back to your original question. there are many people in the democratic party who don't agree either there are many people in the democratic party who are in disagreement right now on what too do about gun control legislation. on the issue of immigration specifically, i think the reason jo john mccain answered the way did he is because eight senators, four democrats and four republicans, have come together and put together a delicately balanced compromise that will pass. what will fail is either the right in congress or president obama in the white house try and push it too far one way or another to win points. then it's gonna come crashing down. that's, i think what john mccain meant. >> how does the president deal with the republican party he is now dealing with? >> i don't know. i think a lot -- everything here makes sense what we are talking about, because we are being reasonable here. we want to have an immigration bill. i think that's --
secondly, with regard to the hagel nomination, unfortunately, chuck hagel is dealing with his own poor performance as a nominee now. all the way back to your original question. there are many people in the democratic party who don't agree either there are many people in the democratic party who are in disagreement right now on what too do about gun control legislation. on the issue of immigration specifically, i think the reason jo john mccain answered the way did he is because eight senators,...
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what about chuck hagel? chuck, you had leon panetta on "meet the press" this weekend, and martin dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs. let me ask both of you what kind of power that chuck hagel would have, assuming he gets confirmed? how does he move into this period where he has to really fight for resources from congress and also deal within the cabinet, deal with the white house? snoo that seems to be the real question now. it's not if he is going to get confirmed. the political votes are there. another republican came on board over the weekend. roy blunt will vote no, but not filibuster. the votes are there to confirm him. that is not the question. the question is he going to have the political swagger, if you will, that secretary of defense immediate to both operate inside the pentagon, and that's -- you heard robert gibbs, former press secretary yesterday say it was a little disconcerting watching him give those answers. they made a strategic decision not to have a debate with those republican sen
what about chuck hagel? chuck, you had leon panetta on "meet the press" this weekend, and martin dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs. let me ask both of you what kind of power that chuck hagel would have, assuming he gets confirmed? how does he move into this period where he has to really fight for resources from congress and also deal within the cabinet, deal with the white house? snoo that seems to be the real question now. it's not if he is going to get confirmed. the...
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part of what hagel is arguing, not all wars are worth winning. we tend to discuss, as long as we won, that is fine, good enough. and his point is there is a cost, even to something that goes to that, as well. >> and he expresses it emotionally in the hearing, it is not just the fact that you can staunch the bleeding, it is the fact you need to treat the wound. and that is where hagel wanted to express he was coming from, there were some engagements that shouldn't be done. and we shouldn't think as view is, somebody should write us out of the main stream. >> you picked what hagel talked about, what he wants to do with the navy. it strikes me as important, as well. if you could play that. >> the navy is an indispensable part of our security apparatus. first it is the one unobjectable power we have in the world. obviously, our balances of the asia pacific, persian gulf, we talked all day about iran, specifically iran in the persian gulf. you know we have the fifth fleet, and bahrain, two little battle groups in that small area. the flexibility, the
part of what hagel is arguing, not all wars are worth winning. we tend to discuss, as long as we won, that is fine, good enough. and his point is there is a cost, even to something that goes to that, as well. >> and he expresses it emotionally in the hearing, it is not just the fact that you can staunch the bleeding, it is the fact you need to treat the wound. and that is where hagel wanted to express he was coming from, there were some engagements that shouldn't be done. and we shouldn't...
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>> my reference to -- >> answer the question wellesz senator hagel. the question is storywriter wrong? that is a pretty straightforward question. >> the nominee said that referred to his feelings about the war in general and not just the surgeon took heat abou his work with 00. hagel was as defeat is anti-american nukes. >> the position of 00, my position that certain individuals, nestle security leaders have talked about including himself, it has never been unilateral disarmament, ever. never. >> hagel backtracked on his comment about the political power of the jewish lobby. >> i should have used another term, and i'm sorry. i regretted. the use of intimidation, i should have used influence. i think that would have been a more appropriate term. >> coming into the hearing hagel was a controversy among many, so some fireworks were expected, but the number of senators on both sides said it was uncomfortable being in there as fox business labored to explain his past comments and votes. lori: fox news chief congressional correspondent, thank you. a recent
>> my reference to -- >> answer the question wellesz senator hagel. the question is storywriter wrong? that is a pretty straightforward question. >> the nominee said that referred to his feelings about the war in general and not just the surgeon took heat abou his work with 00. hagel was as defeat is anti-american nukes. >> the position of 00, my position that certain individuals, nestle security leaders have talked about including himself, it has never been unilateral...
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. >> chuck hagel has been nominated to be that next defense secretary. that is showing tomorrow on sunday here on c-span at 3 p.m. here's a look look at some of the new members of the 113th congress. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren was a advocate for the formation of the consumer financial protection bureau. she defeated scott brown and the came the first woman to represent massachusetts in the senate. in the house, joseph kennedy represents massachusetts's fourth district. watch in the house, live on and the senate on c-span 2. and this week's radio address, president obama and congresswoman susan brooks talked about needing to reduce the national debt. the president emphasized investing in programs that enable economic recovery. susan brooks urged democrats to pass a budget. >> hi, everyone. we face some important decisions about how to put down our debt in a way that grows our economy and create good jobs. the decision that will make a real difference in the strength of our recovery. we began with economists and business leaders saying that we
. >> chuck hagel has been nominated to be that next defense secretary. that is showing tomorrow on sunday here on c-span at 3 p.m. here's a look look at some of the new members of the 113th congress. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren was a advocate for the formation of the consumer financial protection bureau. she defeated scott brown and the came the first woman to represent massachusetts in the senate. in the house, joseph kennedy represents massachusetts's fourth district. watch...
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john mccain tried to humiliate nominee chuck hagel. and this is just the beginning. >> are you going to answer the question, senator hagel. the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straight forward question. >> but karma caught up with mccain quickly. about an hour after that, he berated hagel. here's how rand paul reacted to mccain's comments. let's listen. >> i find the argument spurious and really frankly absurd. >> on laura ingram's radio show, louisiana senator marco rubi on the emigration issue. >> i love and respect marco, i think he's amazingly naive. >> wow, in other words, he cares about hispanics. in a colossal put down, chris chistie hung the blame for post-sandy suffering squarely on republicans. >> there's only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims. the house majority and their speaker, john boehner. >> you know, joy, this was an old democratic problem. >> yes. >> it was called democrats in disarray. you could put it up on every newspaper, every evening news show. >> you
john mccain tried to humiliate nominee chuck hagel. and this is just the beginning. >> are you going to answer the question, senator hagel. the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straight forward question. >> but karma caught up with mccain quickly. about an hour after that, he berated hagel. here's how rand paul reacted to mccain's comments. let's listen. >> i find the argument spurious and really frankly absurd. >> on laura ingram's radio show,...
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was wrong. >> what should hagel have said? what would you have told him to say? >> i think he said correctly, we're going to let history judge iraq, because frankly chuck hagel could have said, senator mccain, i think i might have been wrong on iraq. were you wrong on iraq? here's the question. none of that is anything that the next secretary of defense is going to deal with. hold on. let's split this into two buckets. there was the totalally out of context questions that won't bear on what the next secretary of defense will do. he seemed unprepared on the questions that quite frankly he knew were coming. >> he had mock hearings. should he go to the president and say, do you still have confidence in me? >> i'm reminded through weeks into his first term of the obama administration. time geithner gives a speech at the treasury department about our banking industry and how to save it. three weeks into the administration. three weeks into his tenure. the market dropped 382 points. two weeks ago, tim geithner walked out of the trea
was wrong. >> what should hagel have said? what would you have told him to say? >> i think he said correctly, we're going to let history judge iraq, because frankly chuck hagel could have said, senator mccain, i think i might have been wrong on iraq. were you wrong on iraq? here's the question. none of that is anything that the next secretary of defense is going to deal with. hold on. let's split this into two buckets. there was the totalally out of context questions that won't bear...
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and chuck hagel. and you can not compare the first two to chuck hagel. after i watched the hearing, i remembered the lyrics to a country song. you mean i shaved my legs for this? you mean we're having this huge fight over this guy who cannot even articulate our policy towards iran? >> robert? >> let's be clear. >> this performance was not good. >> two things. i want to go about something that ana just said. if you turned on cspan and hadn't watched tv in the intervening six years, you would think we had 150,000 troops parked right now in iraq. this next defense secretary is not going to deal with iraq and the surge. this was a vanity thing for john mccain to try to prove to a former friend who disagreed with him that he was right on the surge and that chuck hagel was wrong. >> what should hagel have said? what would you have told him to say? >> i think he said correctly, we're going to let history judge iraq, because frankly chuck hagel could have said, senator mccain, i think i might have been wrong on iraq. were you wrong on iraq? here's the question.
and chuck hagel. and you can not compare the first two to chuck hagel. after i watched the hearing, i remembered the lyrics to a country song. you mean i shaved my legs for this? you mean we're having this huge fight over this guy who cannot even articulate our policy towards iran? >> robert? >> let's be clear. >> this performance was not good. >> two things. i want to go about something that ana just said. if you turned on cspan and hadn't watched tv in the intervening...
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do you stand by those comments, senator hagel? >> senator, i stand by them because i made them. >> were you correct in your assessment? >> what i would refer to the judgment of history. >> deserves your judgment whether you were right or wrong about the surge? >> i'll explain why i made those comments. >> i want to whether or not they were right or wrong? >> the surge assisted in the objective. if we review the record. >> please answer the question. were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam, were you correct or incorrect? >> my reference to -- >> the question is were you right or wrong. that is a pretty straightforward question. i would like you to answer whether you were right or wrong and free to elaborate? >> i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> let the record show he refuses to answer that question. >> sean: and pretty unbelievable patrick j. buchanan and bill richardson. gentlemen, good to see you both. >> how are you
do you stand by those comments, senator hagel? >> senator, i stand by them because i made them. >> were you correct in your assessment? >> what i would refer to the judgment of history. >> deserves your judgment whether you were right or wrong about the surge? >> i'll explain why i made those comments. >> i want to whether or not they were right or wrong? >> the surge assisted in the objective. if we review the record. >> please answer the...
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hagel is at the center of it, but it's about much more than just chuck hagel. andrea. >> let me just interject also, kelly, that there is an issue here. the defense ministers meet at nato next week in brussels. they want chuck hagel, the administration wants chuck hagel, the new defense secretary to be leading this going forward. they don't want to have to ask leon panetta, who is still the defense secretary, to go and lead the delegation as a lame-duck. chris, this gets to entrance, and that's why, among other reasons, the white house is so frustrated, and those who have been raising these benghazi issues are really holding the white house hostage on when did the president call and was he up all night? those are the kinds of questions they've been asking. hagel had nothing to do with benghazi. >> absolutely true, andrea, but i would say, look, this is -- kelly used the phrase leverage point, and whether you like it or not, that's what republicans view this as. i would say that the white house has two very clear choices. they either say okay, we will give until
hagel is at the center of it, but it's about much more than just chuck hagel. andrea. >> let me just interject also, kelly, that there is an issue here. the defense ministers meet at nato next week in brussels. they want chuck hagel, the administration wants chuck hagel, the new defense secretary to be leading this going forward. they don't want to have to ask leon panetta, who is still the defense secretary, to go and lead the delegation as a lame-duck. chris, this gets to entrance, and...
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they don't want to waste it on hagel. they'll save it for the budget issues. >>> the trivia question, how many states do not celebrate groundhog day? the answer is just one. it's alaska. you guys are going to love this. in 2009 then governor sarah palin signed a bill to make every february 2nd marmot day, there aren't that many groundhog in alaska, so why not do marmots. we'll be right back. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. >>> is there a disconnect between the way the public perceives the economy and what's really happening? today's jobs report shows the economy created 127,000 more jobs than originally thought in november and december. just the latest not a string of positive indicators that are pushing the dow
they don't want to waste it on hagel. they'll save it for the budget issues. >>> the trivia question, how many states do not celebrate groundhog day? the answer is just one. it's alaska. you guys are going to love this. in 2009 then governor sarah palin signed a bill to make every february 2nd marmot day, there aren't that many groundhog in alaska, so why not do marmots. we'll be right back. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven...
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why is he fighting hagel over vietnam? >> well, it's interesting because he's ostensibly fighting with him over iraq, but it immediately becomes over vietnam. he seems to be mad that hagel took issue with him about iraq and compared it to vietnam being the big blunder, which, of course, mccain and hagel both served in. you know, when mccain talks about iraq, all he wants to talk about is from the surge on. it's as if everything before that didn't happen and didn't count, and we can still debate whether the surge worked or not, but the bigger issue is whether iraq was as bad as vietnam, and he doesn't want to have that argument. >> here is mccain sinking his teeth into hagel's ankle here, and he wouldn't let go on the question of the iraq surge. again, what david said. let's listen again, back again to the old war. >> were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam? were you correct or incorrect? >> my -- >> yes or no. >> my referenc
why is he fighting hagel over vietnam? >> well, it's interesting because he's ostensibly fighting with him over iraq, but it immediately becomes over vietnam. he seems to be mad that hagel took issue with him about iraq and compared it to vietnam being the big blunder, which, of course, mccain and hagel both served in. you know, when mccain talks about iraq, all he wants to talk about is from the surge on. it's as if everything before that didn't happen and didn't count, and we can still...
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move by mccain and others now suggest hagel is going to have enough support to be confirm. the nomination is expected to go to the full senate floor this thursday. >>> last night in the book touring supreme court justice sonia sotomayor made a rare television appearance. she was on the colbert report. she talked about her childhood in the bronx, faith in the constitution, but she got a little bit coy when stephen tried to draw her into specifics. >> not all of us believe in the constitution. the second amendment is never to be questioned. do you believe that we have the right to have any weapon we want? >> well, you'll find out soon enough when the case comes up. >> this is what i like. this is what i like. >> all right. stick around. we're going to take a quick break. while we do, send us an e-mail and let us know why you're awake at this hour. you can also tweet me. we'll read the best responses later in the show. still ahead here, stadium blackouts, they're not just for football anymore. last night the lights went out during an nba game. we'll have that next in sports. >
move by mccain and others now suggest hagel is going to have enough support to be confirm. the nomination is expected to go to the full senate floor this thursday. >>> last night in the book touring supreme court justice sonia sotomayor made a rare television appearance. she was on the colbert report. she talked about her childhood in the bronx, faith in the constitution, but she got a little bit coy when stephen tried to draw her into specifics. >> not all of us believe in the...
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he pressed hagel. take a listen. >> i would like a answer whether you are right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or a no answer on a lot of things. >> then let the record show that you refuse to answer the question, now please go ahead. >> if you would like me to explain why -- >> i actually would like an answer. yes or no? i think history has already made a judgment about the surge, sir. and you are on the wrong side of it. >> colonel -- >> when hagel said i think i would like to explain, you know mccain does not want him to explain. he wants a yes or no answer. >> why did he shy away from doing that? >> i don't know. bob and i were talking about it before, he knew the questions were coming. he nie who was going to deliver them. he had time to rehearse. >> i think of the right answer two days after the right answer should have been given. history actually does show that the surge worked. that my vote was wrong and your vote was right. but senator mc
he pressed hagel. take a listen. >> i would like a answer whether you are right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or a no answer on a lot of things. >> then let the record show that you refuse to answer the question, now please go ahead. >> if you would like me to explain why -- >> i actually would like an answer. yes or no? i think history has already made a judgment about the surge, sir. and you are on the wrong...
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is this delay on the hagel vote about playing for time? well, "the new york times" reports today that anti-hagel groups right now are hoping for exactly that. quote, leaders of the group say they expect third efforts to include more phone calls, urging conservative voters to vote no. new efforts to unearth embarrassing details from mr. hagel's past, and potentially a new round of television advertisements pressuring democrats to drop their support for him. it used to be the president got his cabinet. now e you get the entire opposition party to the last man and woman voting against it in what i don't even know is one reason. if you ask all the republicans, what do you do to filibuster this, they won't give you an answer. each will come up with his or her little number. >> because there's no reason to filibuster this nomination. the president has made his choice. he's coming off a very, very strong election. and as much as i may have an issue here or there that hagel said in the past, this is the president's choice. he's ultimately going to
is this delay on the hagel vote about playing for time? well, "the new york times" reports today that anti-hagel groups right now are hoping for exactly that. quote, leaders of the group say they expect third efforts to include more phone calls, urging conservative voters to vote no. new efforts to unearth embarrassing details from mr. hagel's past, and potentially a new round of television advertisements pressuring democrats to drop their support for him. it used to be the president...
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hagel? >> you know i saw that information today also. that is more and more concerning. >> you can't take money from a terrorist organization and come from the united states senate and ask for a vote, can you? >> i am very troubled by it. >> i am very troubled by it, it being chuck hagel's imaginary connection to the organization, on a bright dot server, and apparently in rand paul's mind. that is who gets to vote to confirm the defense secretary, very troubled by this terrorist organization that he heard about in a chat room somewhere. don't feel so bad, rush, every country's got them, we just give them more power than most countries do. republicans filibustered chuck hagel's nomination yesterday, that has never happened before, no cabinet nominee has ever been blocked by a filibuster, we have been hit by meteors, but this was never done, now the senate is in recess, the confirmation will probably happen in a week and a half, unless of course we have to hear rand paul chair hearings on the birth certificate of the president, or somethin
hagel? >> you know i saw that information today also. that is more and more concerning. >> you can't take money from a terrorist organization and come from the united states senate and ask for a vote, can you? >> i am very troubled by it. >> i am very troubled by it, it being chuck hagel's imaginary connection to the organization, on a bright dot server, and apparently in rand paul's mind. that is who gets to vote to confirm the defense secretary, very troubled by this...
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hagel? >> you know i saw that information today also. that is more and more concerning. >> you can't take money from a terrorist organization and come from the united states senate and ask for a vote, can you? >> i am very troubled by it. >> i am very troubled by it, it being chuck hagel's imaginary connection to the organization, on a bright dot server, and apparently in rand paul's mind. that is who gets to vote to confirm the defense secretary, very troubled by this terrorist organization that he heard about in a chat room somewhere. don't feel so bad, rush, every country's got them, we just give them more power than most countries do. republicans filibustered chuck hagel's nomination yesterday, that has never happened before, no cabinet nominee has ever been blocked by a filibuster, we have been hit by meteors, but this was never done, now the senate is in recess, the confirmation will probably happen in a week and a half, unless of course we have to hear rand paul chair hearings on the birth certificate of the president, or somethin
hagel? >> you know i saw that information today also. that is more and more concerning. >> you can't take money from a terrorist organization and come from the united states senate and ask for a vote, can you? >> i am very troubled by it. >> i am very troubled by it, it being chuck hagel's imaginary connection to the organization, on a bright dot server, and apparently in rand paul's mind. that is who gets to vote to confirm the defense secretary, very troubled by this...
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do you stand by that -- those comments, senator hagel? >> well, senator, i stand by them because i made them. >> were you right? were you correct in your assessment? >> well, i would defer to the judgment of history to sort that out. >> the committee can deserves your judgment as to whether you were right or wrong about the surge. >> i'll explain why i made those comments. >> i want to know if you're right or wrong. that's a direct question. i expect a direct answer. >> well, if you would like me to explain why. >> i actually would like an answer, yes, or no. >> well, i'm not going give you a yes or no. i think it's far more complicated than that. and as i already said, i'll defer that judgment to history. as to the comment i made about the most dangerous foreign policy decision since vietnam was about not just the surge, but the overall war of choice going into iraq. >> ah. not just about the surge, it was about the overall war of choice going into iraq. right. so is john mccain trying to relitigate that? the overall war of choice going
do you stand by that -- those comments, senator hagel? >> well, senator, i stand by them because i made them. >> were you right? were you correct in your assessment? >> well, i would defer to the judgment of history to sort that out. >> the committee can deserves your judgment as to whether you were right or wrong about the surge. >> i'll explain why i made those comments. >> i want to know if you're right or wrong. that's a direct question. i expect a direct...
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hagel is an honorable man. he has served his country, and no one on this committee at any time should impugn his character or his integrity. >> we're going to show some of cruz's mccarthyite statements in the next segment. tuesday night, hours matter, mccain introduced a new wrinkle with senators graham and ayotte. he wrote a letter to the white house requesting more information about what the white house did during the benghazi attack. he told "foreign policy" magazine, quote, we need to know what the president's conversations were. i would vote no on cloture on thursday unless the information is provided. by tuesday -- actually by yesterday, which almost every day of the week he's changed his mind, the white house had responded to his satisfaction, but he still didn't vote for cloture. he still wouldn't vote to bring this matter of hagel's confirmation up to a vote, and here is his latest. let's watch. >> there are still questions outstanding. i believe that senators have the right to have those questions ans
hagel is an honorable man. he has served his country, and no one on this committee at any time should impugn his character or his integrity. >> we're going to show some of cruz's mccarthyite statements in the next segment. tuesday night, hours matter, mccain introduced a new wrinkle with senators graham and ayotte. he wrote a letter to the white house requesting more information about what the white house did during the benghazi attack. he told "foreign policy" magazine, quote,...
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it's a rough room here now, and it's a rough room for hagel yesterday. i agree with you that it was strange that there were some things that didn't come up, but not have north africa come nup a really substantive way, to not have the budget come nup a really substantive way was a problem for chuck hagel, and, you know, his ability or inability to bring those subjects to the fore on his own, i guess that is on him. i'm with you, i guess. >> ben, the "new york times" -- sorry. in the washington post jonathan bernstein -- >> let's get that right. "new york times". >> big difference. i'm not saying which one is better. jonathan bernstein writes in the washington post the confirmation process for chuck hagel is a good example of just how far off the rails executive-branch nomination and confirmation has gone. there's basically little in it for the senate when senators turn nominations into a series of gotcha moments and efforts to extrapolate the broad political philosophy of executive branch nominees." >> i have only been covering politics for i guess, 12 ye
it's a rough room here now, and it's a rough room for hagel yesterday. i agree with you that it was strange that there were some things that didn't come up, but not have north africa come nup a really substantive way, to not have the budget come nup a really substantive way was a problem for chuck hagel, and, you know, his ability or inability to bring those subjects to the fore on his own, i guess that is on him. i'm with you, i guess. >> ben, the "new york times" -- sorry. in...
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. >>> then, despite some republican calls to pull the plug on chuck hagel's nomination for defense chief, and a slow walk of the nomination of john brennan as cia director, the president stands by his men. he will probably get what he wants. weighing the odds with senator john mccain. >>> and guns and immigration. before bills governing either become law, they first go through the judiciary committees. a conversation with senator judiciary chairman, patrick leahy, about the art of the doable on two of the most contentious issues of our time. >>> plus, five days from the next fiscal cliffhanger on forced spending cuts. >> these cuts don't have to happen. congress can turn them off any time with just a little compromise. >> deal or more hyperbole? we will ask our political package, former governor haley barbour, jackie calmes, of the "new york times." i'm candy crowley. and this is "state of the union." >>> with five days to go until automatic spending cuts kick in, the obama administration is ratcheting up warnings about aircraft carriers that can't make it to the persian gulf and commerc
. >>> then, despite some republican calls to pull the plug on chuck hagel's nomination for defense chief, and a slow walk of the nomination of john brennan as cia director, the president stands by his men. he will probably get what he wants. weighing the odds with senator john mccain. >>> and guns and immigration. before bills governing either become law, they first go through the judiciary committees. a conversation with senator judiciary chairman, patrick leahy, about the...